Dark Side Skill Analysis Part 1: Might

, and is still used to label the Rune costs for purchasing a given Skill rank. (These being Might, Spirit, and Magic Runes, respectively)

In general, same rules and formatting as with the previous three games.



Heroism
Attack +2.


Attack +4.


Attack +6.
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Skill tree requirements: None.

I like that the first and seconds ranks are more worthwhile than in Warriors of the North, even if you still reach the same total in the end.

Nothing much to say I haven't said before, though.

Rage Control
Rage cap +8. If playing the Orc: at the beginning of battle, gain 3% of your maximum Rage one time.

Rage cap +16. If playing the Orc: at the beginning of battle, gain 6% of your maximum Rage one time.

Rage cap +24. If playing the Orc: at the beginning of battle, gain 9% of your maximum Rage one time.
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Skill tree requirements: None.

A bit odd that Rage Control has lost its Adrenaline-related boosting (Also it's lost the Warriors of the North-exclusive Viking Attack boost, but that was honestly pretty bizarre and unwelcome), though I like that Bagyr gets a kind of low-grade Bloodlust bonus from it. It's a nice touch that helps cement Bagyr as the Rage specialist of Dark Side. The fact that it specifically kicks in at the start of the battle also means it evades the issues of Bloodlust slowing Mana regeneration, which is a nice bonus.

Anger
Rage gain in combat +20%, and additionally +1 to Rage gained.


Rage gain in combat +40%, and additional +2 to Rage gained.


Rage gain in combat +60%, and additionally +3 to Rage gained.
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Skill tree requirements: None.

It's cheaper than in Warriors of the North and waaaay more accessible, which is fantastic.

Not much to add beyond that.

Onslaught
All player units receive +1 Initiative and +10% Attack on the first turn.


All player units receive +2 Initiative and +20% Attack on the first turn, and less on later turns.
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All player units receive +3 Initiative and +30% Attack on the first turn, and less on later turns.
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Skill tree requirements: Heroism.

Onslaught's 'rot' is one turn=one Skill rank. So if you have the second rank, you'll get the second rank's bonuses on turn 1 and the first rank bonus's one Turn 2.

This is my favorite Onslaught in the series, between the 'rot' effect making the higher ranks much more worth considering and the fact that the Attack bonus much more encourages RUSH INTO BATTLE AND KILL 'EM ALL, which has always been the idea behind Onslaught but historically it's really been I WILL MAGE YOU TO DEATH SO HARD BEFORE YOU MOVE. (While my army stands on their hands) It's simple, straightforward, and a very clean fix. I'm not sure why it took three games and a switch to a completely different company for it to happen.

Resistance
Defense +2.

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Defense +4.
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Defense +6.
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Skill tree requirements: Rage Control.

A lot pricier than in Warriors of the North, and still hampered by Defense being one of the lowest priority stats, but it does provide more Defense than ever, so that's cool.

Action Rage
Rest period on class-related Rage skills reduced by 1, to a minimum of 1. (Vampire Rage Skills for Vampire, Demoness for Demoness, Orc for Orc)


Rest period on class-related Rage skills plus one other set reduced by 1, to a minimum of 1. (The Vampire now also covers Orc Rage Skills, the Demoness now also covers Vampire Rage Skills, and the Orc now also covers Demoness Rage Skills)


Rest period on all Rage skills reduced by 1, to a minimum of 1.
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Skill tree requirements: Anger.

Action Rage is a weird Skill in Dark Side, being the only Skill in the entire game that is a little different for all three classes/characters. Also note that where in Warriors of the North it cost Might and Spirit Runes, here the Spirit Runes have been replaced by Magic Runes.

Overall, this is a fairly big nerf compared to Warriors of the North, as leveling it just expands the list it affects, instead of increasing the reduction it provides. This makes Dark Side second only to Armored Princess for restricting your ability to offset Rage Rest period increases, and in Armored Princess you generally didn't see a Rest period above 2-3, where in Dark Side Rest Periods can easily go up to 7 turns, so really this is the worst game in the series in real terms when it comes to Skill-based Rest reduction.

It's also the only manner in which the concept of Rage moves being organized into class/character categories actually matter. Personally, I'd rather it had lowered just your class' associated Rage moves with increasing reduction as you leveled it, as that would've been a lot more consistently meaningful and helped set the classes apart that little bit more. Oh well, this isn't bad, it's just it could've been more interesting.

Shield of Rage
Units have a 10% chance of purging one negative effect at the beginning of the round.


Units have a 20% chance of purging one negative effect at the beginning of the round.


Units have a 30% chance of purging one negative effect at the beginning of the round.



Skill tree requirements: Onslaught and Resistance.

It's Shield of Rage, but earlier in the tree and having swapped Magic Runes for Spirit Runes. Which means it's still a good Skill, even if its name remains baffling what with not actually interacting with Rage at all.

It still also suffers from the odd quirk that if you're Plagueing your Undead the Skill can be an active disadvantage, which is even more of an issue than in Warriors of the North since you're encouraged to use Undead by Dark Side, unlike Warriors of the North, but at the same time Morale has been weakened per-tier so randomly losing the Morale boost from Plague isn't as hurtful as in Warriors of the North. So... whatever.

Frenzy
If an allied unit gets a crit, it gains +1 Attack for the remainder of the battle. Maximum bonus of +10.



If an allied unit gets a crit, it gains +2 Attack for the remainder of the battle. Maximum bonus of +20.



If an allied unit gets a crit, it gains +3 Attack for the remainder of the battle. Maximum bonus of +30.




Skill tree requirements: Onslaught and Action Rage.

If you're not paying attention, it's easy to think this is just good ol' Frenzy in all its bad glory, but for some reason weakened in per-boost value, given a cap you'd usually not reach anyway, and made more expensive. Especially because the in-battle description still words itself as activating on kills when it triggers. (The Russian description correctly alludes to its new mechanics; this is a localization issue)

But no, this Frenzy activates off of crits, which means that you can stack up a bunch of boosts to Attack fairly quickly by using units with splash damage and the like. (Yes, it will activate multiple times on a single attack if that attack gets multiple crits) No longer is it that a typical battle against non-summoning enemies will only get 4 boosts that matter even a little bit, and only as the fight is winding down so that it's worthless anyway, oh no, now it can actually meaningfully contribute, if only in a small way. (And also that cap actually matters in real combat)

It's also worth noting for Bagyr in particular that one of his exclusive Skills allows him to get lots of crits very reliably if he's willing to throw units into the fray, and obviously this new version of Frenzy is quite synergistic with that effect.

This is the best, most worthwhile Frenzy in the series is what I'm saying.

Rage Grasp
Rage drains 10% slower out of battle, and Rage cannot be below 8% out of battle.


Rage drains 20% slower out of battle, and Rage cannot be below 16% out of battle.


Rage drains 30% slower out of battle, and Rage cannot be below 24% out of battle.



Skill tree requirements: Resistance and Action Rage.

It's Bloodlust, kinda, but earlier!

And as with Bloodlust, the 'cannot be below' thing includes that if you end a battle below it your Rage will jolt up to that minimum next time the game ticks over the Rage/Mana process.

So Rage Grasp is awesome and worth pursuing for anybody, even Daert if you can spare the Talent Runes.

Berserker
5% chance for units to kill half the enemy stack when attacking.
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10% chance for units to kill half the enemy stack when attacking.
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15% chance for units to kill half the enemy stack when attacking.
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Skill tree requirements: Shield of Rage.

Note that the game accounts for Leadership differential, like how it does for percentile damage from Burn, Poisoning, Freeze, and Bleeding. As such, you can't abuse this (too much) by spamming hordes of weak stacks via summoning spam, as eg a stack that is half the Leadership of the stack it's attacking will have a 2.5%/5%/7.5% chance of triggering Berserker, instead of the base chance.

Note that splash damage attacks roll separately on Berserker for each hit, and that resistance isn't factored into a Berserker trigger. An Imp hurling a fireball into a clustered group of 5 Fire Immune units will still rip stacks in half if Berserker triggers, and the weak splash damage will have a full chance of triggering too. As such, Berserker is particularly worth pursuing if you're already using/intending to use units with splash damage, or if you want to keep using a unit even in situations where its primary damage contribution is commonly ineffectual. (eg Scoffer Imps vs Demons, where the fireballs are broadly resisted, but prone to triggering Berserker hits) The overall result is that Berserker makes it easier for you to work around or ignore elemental effectiveness, which is actually a much more interesting effect than WotN's Berserker effect.

It does have the disadvantage that it can't work on Gremlins, which was arguably one of the most useful situations for Berserker to trigger in Warriors of the North. The fact that its odds are scaled to Leadership also means that even though its odds are technically the same as the Warrior of the North version, realistically you can say it's consistently lower odds of activating. Still, it's a really neat idea, and it's too bad we didn't see a King's Bounty game try it until Dark Side, which as far as I can tell is very much a black sheep to most people. It doesn't even have its own forum sub-section in the 1c forums.

Unity
+10% Rage experience gained.


+20% Rage experience gained.


+30% Rage experience gained.
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Skill tree requirements: Rage Grasp.

Bleh. It's the usual Rage experience generation Skill. At least non-Bagyr people can just ignore it, since it's not locking anything behind it, and for Bagyr it's not horribly burdensome to max. Might as well do so early, since you'll want all your Might Skills maxed eventually to max Chieftain, and you can bear the Rune burden in the long haul as well.

Note that in Dark Side it's entirely realistic to cap Rage levels well before you've beaten the game without any ranks in Unity, at least if you're not playing Daert, further limiting its benefits.

Rage experience was not tuned very well in Dark Side...


The following four skills are exclusive to Bagyr the Orc, and as always this space will double as a micro-analysis of the Might class.

Bagyr is fun in a way that no prior Might class has managed. He's an incredibly effective user of Rage and his armies are surprisingly strong, enough so that Neoline's advantage in army size doesn't cleanly beat him out, and the overall result of his unique Skills is that he plays very differently from the other classes. In prior games the Might class tended to be the Mind/Spirit class but worse, albeit the details varied a bit. In Dark Side, the Might class is actually really strong, with the only low point being at the very beginning of the game before you've gotten Rage and where your lack of offensive Spells being built-in really stands out. Mind, it's quite the low point, with Bagyr being the only one of the characters who can struggle to reach the point Rage is acquired if you're playing on higher difficulties. For the other characters, so long as you're not making huge mistakes the worst you'll have to do even on Impossible is accept missing out on some opportunities to advance Grand Strategian.

As such, while Bagyr is an exciting new vista, I'd recommend playing one of the other characters first so you can get used to Dark Side's difficulty curve. If you do insist on playing Bagyr first, you should probably play on a lower difficulty setting than you used in prior games -eg I did my first run of The Legend on Normal, then all future runs on all future games I treated Hard as the floor because Normal was a little too easy. If you do the same, play Bagyr on Normal. Maybe even Easy, as his beginning really is hard, in part because Might Skills don't have any early Skills disconnected from army size/quality, unlike Spirit (Which has Diversions) or Magic. (Which of course is all about Spellslinging)

Once you do have Rage, Bagyr starts really coming into his own, thanks in no small part to Anger being available without any Skill requirements, just like The Legend. In conjunction with Rage Control giving him free Rage at the start of a battle, Bagyr is much more able to get Necro Pack off on the first turn before any enemies move and the like toward the beginning of the game, which can actually make him more effective than Neoline or Daert at getting clean wins!

Bagyr does have a lull where you're waiting on unlocking his unique Skills. This applies to all the classes to some extent or another, but for Bagyr it's particularly pronounced, as generic Might Skills aren't very strong at boosting army power and this lull is the point Neoline and even Daert may well be mostly caught up on Rage-relevant Skills. Once you do hit your unique Skills, though... Bagyr catapults up to being possibly the best class/character of the bunch, thanks in no small part to there being multiple Rage moves that effectively auto-scale to enemy stack size, letting Bagyr take on shockingly huge battlegroups earlier than Neoline or Daert and still manage to take them out -possibly even without casualties!

Dark Side is a buggy, incomplete mess, but I'm glad it exists just for the fact that it's the first game in the series to get the Might class right.

Chieftain
+10% to Attack. Additionally, starting from the tenth Might Skill rank purchased, every Might Skill purchased increases maximum Rage by 1, increases the effectiveness of Rage Skills by 1%, and slows Rage loss out of battle by 0.5%.
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Skill tree requirements: Everything Shield of Rage, Frenzy, and Rage Grasp.

I really like how it's a mugshot of an Orc Chieftain-the-unit. Bagyr's face is even loosely similar!

Interestingly, the name for it in the files is 'Warboss', like a 40k Ork leader.

Note that when maxed this is +34 Rage, and +34% to damage on damaging Rage Skills. (Caveat: Chieftain doesn't boost the damage of Flames of Passion, nor does it affect the percentile component of Orc Strike's damage, only the fixed portion) And I guess also you lose Rage 17% slower, but whatever, it's not like it's increasing your Rage minimum out of battle like Rage Grasp does.

This is the first of a series of class/character-locked 'superskills' that strongly define each character/class. Chieftain makes Bagyr king of Rage for all time, even aside the Skills locked behind it, and I really just love the dynamic of the superskills, as they finally give you a real reason to go maxing the low-value Skills in your class' tree. In previous games, it was barely worth eg maxing Meditation as a Mage, even though it was easy to afford, and indeed in Armored Princess it arguably makes more sense to take advantage of the Rune Trader to get more ranks in bigger payoff Skills that aren't in 'your' Skill tree. Dark Side is the first game where there really feels like an ongoing payoff worth chasing for maxing your tree, and it's fantastic.

This is doubly important since Dark Side doesn't have a Rune Trader at all.

Bloodlust
+15% to crit chance when counterattacking, +5 to all resistances, and critical hits caused by unit attacks and Talents have a 33% chance of inflicting Bleeding.


+25% to crit chance when counterattacking, +10 to all resistances, and critical hits caused by unit attacks and Talents have a 67% chance of inflicting Bleeding.


+40% to crit chance when counterattacking, +15 to all resistances, and critical hits caused by unit attacks and Talents have a 100% chance of inflicting Bleeding.


Skill tree requirements: Chieftain.

So Bloodlust has turned into an army-focused Skill, and it's a pretty dang awesome one. The crits boost combines naturally with the crits-equals-Bleeding effect, encouraging getting melee stuck in with the enemies to cripple them. And this is all synergistic with the global resistance boost, making Bagyr the first Warrior who actually has it seriously worth considering hurling a melee-heavy army at the enemy, as his units can tank a lot of punishment and will be dishing out awesome damage and Bleeding as their reward for getting into a brawl.

I love Bloodlust so much.

Anyway, note that the +40% means 10% becomes 14% on counterattacks, not that 10% becomes 50%. It's a nice little boost, but if you were getting excited by the idea of more than half your retaliatory hits being crits... only if your units already have pretty high crit rates.

Also note that the resistance boosting is even bigger of a deal than it sounds because the game guarantees you'll have access to a Clothing Item that's ultimately +20 Resistance, not to mention you can convert Great Artifacts of Teana into up to +5% resistances for one of the core Dark species. Even just the lab coat puts Bagyr at 35% as his baseline once Bloodlust is maxed, which is a little more than a 50% increase in durability, and can be even more than that when your units have pre-existing resistances. (eg Demons end up with 85% Fire resistance, making them just about immune to Fire)

On the other hand, the next Skill means Bagyr tends to slaughter even endgame armies with Rage so quickly his units barely contribute, so while Bloodlust is really cool you won't necessarily get as much use out of it as you'd expect.

Still, it's the best-designed army-focused Might Skill in the entire series, full stop.

Rage Mastery
Using a Rage Skill has a 30% chance of allowing for another use of Rage in the turn.



Using a Rage Skill has a 60% chance of allowing for another use of Rage in the turn.



Using a Rage Skill has a 90% chance of allowing for another use of Rage in the turn.




Skill tree requirements: Chieftain.

A point of note: the English translation's listed chance is half what the Russian version claims, such that at Rank 3 the Russian version says this is a 90% chance to trigger per Rage usage while the English version says it's a 45% chance. I have gone with the Russian version's numbers, because it matches my actual play experience, where Rank 3 Rage Mastery leads to Bagyr regularly firing off Rage moves 6+ times per turn, a result that isn't surprising from 90% but is very unlikely from 45%.

Which in turn means this is flatly more powerful than its Warriors of the North equivalent, not needing Talent Runes lying around to power it while having noticeably higher numbers and getting to chain repeatedly in a single turn. It's really nice!

Rage Mastery has the rather interesting impact of making Bagyr place a much higher value on Improved Control upgrades and on maxing Anger and bolstering his Rage max as fast as possible, as he can burn through shocking amounts of Rage insanely quickly, and having his Rage moves on a low cooldown better positions him to take advantage of Rage Mastery chains.

The fact that this graphic is unchanged even though it makes no thematic sense is one of many hints that Dark Side didn't quite achieve all its design goals before release. Which is too bad, because it could've used more polishing, especially the beginning and end of the game.

Rage Mastery is an incredible game-changer, arguably more significant to Bagyr than Chieftain is. At Rank 3 you can basically expect to get 4+ Rage uses on the first turn, which is ridiculous. This dramatically spikes Bagyr's ability to just dump huge damage on the enemy, reshape the battlefield to better suit him, and in the process boosts his Rage Experience gain rate to a shocking extent, causing him to have far more powerful Rage than the other classes far earlier. Dark Side is thus the only game in the series where the Might class can feasibly use Rage to brutalize fights in the way Mages have always been able to use Spells to achieve.

It's awesome.

And it even has a certain amount of sanity-checking built in by Dark Side moves trending increasingly toward fairly high Rest periods. As such, while Bagyr can dump astonishing amounts of damage in the first couple of turns via Rage, any army large enough that his forces can't mop up what's left at that point is an army he does actually have to deal with using his own army, as opposed to continuing to spam Rage like crazy. It's a really well-designed mechanic!

Blood Rage
10% chance for Rage attacks, unit attacks, and unit attacking Talents to do doubled damage.

20% chance for Rage attacks, unit attacks, and unit attacking Talents to do doubled damage.

30% chance for Rage attacks, unit attacks, and unit attacking Talents to do doubled damage.



Skill tree requirements: Chieftain.

So remember how Warriors of the North's Berserker was a small chance of double damage on unit attacks?

Yeah, let's just double the chance of it occurring and make it apply to Rage, too.

Blood Rage is never something to be counted on, but it makes Bagyr's armies and Rage skills on average considerably more lethal than Neoline and Daert's own, and its odds are high enough it's actually something that will happen pretty routinely once you've maxed it, you just can't count on it for any specific occurrence. Especially since, just like Berserker in Warriors of the North, it actually rolls per hit rather than being binary for the attack as a whole: Blood Rage is thus actually a fairly reliable boost to Orc Shield (A minimum of 5 targets means it'll average 2-ish triggers of Blood Rage per use on regular/small battlegroups), and once you've upgraded their strike zones so too Black Hole, Necro Pack and Orcish Rage, as you'll often be hitting 5-10 targets at once. With that many rolls, there'll usually be one or more successes each usage.

Where WotN Berserker was kind of a boring Skill, I actually really love Blood Rage. Bagyr wants to throw around splash all the time, everywhere, to roll tons of dice for Berserker and Blood Rage triggers, and it gives him a very distinctive set of priorities on his soldiers and in his approach to Rage. It also neatly explains why Dark Side is relatively conservative with percentile damage on Rage moves, as Blood Rage affects them too: if Dark Side had any Rage moves that could do 50% damage to a stack like prior games had (Maxed Soul Draining in The Legend, and maxed Mista's Lightning backed by maxed Favorite of the Valkyrie Medal in Warriors of the North) then Bagyr would expect to regularly instant-kill a stack without even needing to abuse Mark of Blood. (Not that Mark of Blood exists in this game, but the evidence is that Lizardmen were intended to be in Dark Side so this would've been relevant)

Do note that Blood Rage can trigger on friendly-fire hits. This isn't a huge thing, since crit-Bleeding already means friendly fire is almost always unnecessarily risky, but it's worth knowing.

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Next time, we of course move on to Dark Side's approach to Spirit Skills and talking about Neoline the Demoness.

Comments

  1. In my version (1.5.1048.1751) Rage Mastery has listed chances doubled. i.e. 90% on level tree. Probably you have played earlier version with a bug in description.

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    1. That's the version number I'm playing on, and based these posts off of. Maybe you're using Steam and there's discrepancies between that and the Good Old Games version?

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    2. I checked, and actually, it's a difference between languages. It shows 90% in Russian and 45% in English.

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    3. Aaaah. That's concerning, given how many major errors there are in the English translation. It would also fit with the fact that I get lengthy Rage chains a LOT with Bagyr, to an extent that has always seemed unlikely with the listed chances.

      I'll be adding a note to that part of the post appropriately.

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  2. Russian description of Frenzy indeed correctly tells about it being triggered by crits.

    Unity is theoretically useful for Daert, who in my experience, ends with Blackie level being 57-59. Except Daert hardly can allow himself to use runes on this branch early enough for it to make difference.

    I too like superskills idea.

    Random note: "I love bloodlust so much" out of context still sounds fitting considering you name :)
    Crit chance increase is relative; "40% means 10% becomes 14% on counterattacks" is correct.

    Rage Mastery originally was not intended to be Bagyr-only skill. Only Bagyr would get full benefits through - for other heroes it would be half (still nice). Accordingly, this skill has 2 variants of description; one, now unused, for Neolina/Daert (halved numbers) and another for Bagyr (full numbers). Well, in Russian version atleast. English version (Steam one atleast) technically has 2 descriptions too, but they are identical - and use halved numbers.
    In case you are wondering, the skill still checks for class are still present in the final game, so if you will, say, mod Rage Mastery for Neolina, it will work at halved power.

    Blood Rage is Fury in the Blood is Russian.

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    1. Updated the post appropriately.

      I'd wondered if any other Skills had been considered for varying across classes. Good to know they did in fact consider other possibilities, though I'm fine with how things ended up overall. And also nice to get a hint as to why the English version botched Rage Mastery's numbers.

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